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KarlMüller:

--- Zitat von: gh-baden am Di 11.12.2018, 16:11:19 ---a complete Atari-TOS with your patches?

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Geht ja wohl nicht da würde er ja gehen das Urheberrecht verstossen. Wurde deswegen KAOS nicht auch als Patch versand?

Petari:

--- Zitat von: gh-baden am Di 11.12.2018, 16:11:19 ---...
Would you sell your diffs/patches, or a complete Atari-TOS with your patches?

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It is not possible to distribute this with/as 'patches' . Es ist unmöglich verteilen (liefern zu Leute) es mit/als 'Flecken'  :) 
Whole TOS is reassembled with optimisations - to make code shorter and have space for new functions. And there are too many changes - over 1000 corrections only in FAT16 code. Nothing is on same location as it was in original TOS binaries,
Repeating: not Patch, modding, improving, rework.
Hopefully tomorrow new page will be ready and online.

goetz @ 3rz:

--- Zitat von: Petari am Mi 12.12.2018, 00:43:14 ---
--- Zitat von: gh-baden am Di 11.12.2018, 16:11:19 ---...
Would you sell your diffs/patches, or a complete Atari-TOS with your patches?

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It is not possible to distribute this with/as 'patches' . Es ist unmöglich verteilen (liefern zu Leute) es mit/als 'Flecken'  :) 
Whole TOS is reassembled with optimisations - to make code shorter and have space for new functions. And there are too many changes - over 1000 corrections only in FAT16 code. Nothing is on same location as it was in original TOS binaries,
Repeating: not Patch, modding, improving, rework.
Hopefully tomorrow new page will be ready and online.

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And still you could sell the bindiff instead of the whole package. That would include only your code and no Atari-code, right?

Our moderator @Johannes has to be quite strict when it comes to pointing/linking/advertising for software where the copyright or authorship may be violated, due to local laws. And I can understand that, we all don’t want a forum shutdown because of unnecessary legal issues.

Johannes:
Dear all,

I would like to encourage you, to keep the discussion to a level that does not drifts into personal offences. On all sides. If that is not possible, I will close the thread.

Also we do not want two threads for the same topic here, so I closed the later one. Please stick to this one.

@gh-baden is right: Copyright infringements are nothing we want to deal with. So if there is evidence that a site may contain copyrighted contents which publication/selling or something similar conflicts with german law, we will remove that link. @Petari please state that the site that are you linking does not offer copyright protected items for sale like an ATARI TOS or parts of it or its copyrighted concepts. Otherwise I would like to ask you to remove the link. I think people, that want to get in contact with you, know how to do this ;)

Best regards
Johannes

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Hallo zusammen,

ich möchte euch daran erinnern, dass wir die Diskussion hier auf einem sachlichen Level halten möchten, das nicht in persönliche Angriffe abdriftet. Auf allen Seiten. Wenn das nicht möglich ist, werde ich den Thread schliessen.

Auch möchten wir nicht mehrere Threads für ein Thema haben, deshalb habe ich den zweiten geschlossen. Bitte bleibt beim Thema hier.

@gh-baden hat Recht: Copyrightverletzungen sind nichts, womit wir uns rumschlagen wollen. Sollte es also Beweise geben, dass eine Seite urheberrechtlich geschützt INhalte beinhaltet, deren Veröffentlichung oder deren Verkauf mit dem deutschen Gsesetzt im Widerspruch steht, werde ich den Link dahin löschen. @Petari bitte bestätige, dass die Verlinkung zu der Seite keine urheberrechtlich geschützten Dinge zum Kauf anbietet, wie ein ATARI TOS, Teile davon oder seiner urheberrechtlich geschützten Konzepte. Andernfalls bitte ich dich, den Link zu entfernen. Ich denke, die PErsonen, die Dich kontaktieren möchten, wissen wie das geht ;)

Viele Grüße
Johannes

Petari:

--- Zitat von: Johannes am Mi 12.12.2018, 20:02:35 ---Dear all,

I would like to encourage you, to keep the discussion to a level that does not drifts into personal offences. On all sides. If that is not possible, I will close the thread.

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Hallo zusammen,

ich möchte euch daran erinnern, dass wir die Diskussion hier auf einem sachlichen Level halten möchten, das nicht in persönliche Angriffe abdriftet. Auf allen Seiten. Wenn das nicht möglich ist, werde ich den Thread schliessen.
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Personal offenses happened, and they are still in this thread, despite I clearly proved that they are not only incorrect, but nonsense. I spent hours and hours to do it.

Now, about possible copyright problems: I don't sell other's work, only mine. Surely some hardcore open source and freeware people may find it as not nice or whatever. I learned in my life that most of people, decent people will gladly pay for someone's hard work. So, I got some extra money for my hard disk driver SW - many people paid more than it's price (10 Euros). Then diverse donations about my work on adapting games (over 1200).  If I'd sell unmodded TOS to people, that would be copyright infrigment.  Then, how's that if something like TOS is still under copyright nobody cares that there are sites where you can DL all possible TOS versions ?
What I do is - make it simple. Surely, I could spend some time to make difference file, something like Amiga WHDL - so people will need original game to make WHDL version (for hard disk).  And how SW will know is it original floppy or well done copy ?
But that would be very hard to perform. And I already explained that whole code is optimized, that I packed RSC data. What means that original code is not on same location where was before reassembling. That binary diff file then should contain not only what is added, changed, but complete list of all changes in original code - of course here I mean changing addresses of code, changing addresses of branches. What is on at least 100000 locations.

In case of TOS, if I would send to people difference file (patch in some way), they would need to have image of their TOS version and perform update,  First problem: making image file of ROM TOS - easy with proper SW, I wrote it. Second problem: burn EPROMs . What people without programmer should do ? Send me updated image ? But I already have it.  Nonsense. Not to mention what people with TOS 1.00-1.02 should do ? Ask original TOS 1.04 from current copyright holder ? Sure, they will send them it in 2018 .... Nobody cares about Atari ST TOS copyright, since at max year 2007 .
Btw. did Thorsten Otto break something when published sources for TOS 2.06-3.06 ?
I'm sorry, but this is something stupidest what I seen ever in some forums. Some just don't like that me do it, because don't like that I said some things to some people. And i said correct things, not lies. Truth can hurt. Whoewer came with that copyright thing found great excuse to make my project advertising here impossible, it seems. Well, be sure that there will be German people buying it, and I worked already on German TOS versions too.
KAOS is mentioned - it is not complete new code. And yet, some people sold it. Not as patch, as complete ROM content.  For end I'm asking: was it right ?

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